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Posted by Carl F from 209-162-22-115.thegrid.net (209.162.22.115) on Friday, February 22, 2002 at 4:17AM :

In Reply to: bull stories and bull shit posted by Carl F from 209-162-22-115.thegrid.net (209.162.22.115) on Friday, February 22, 2002 at 3:08AM :

Here are the stats, sport. Looks like F-250's are a great way to die.
This table displays driver death rates per million registered vehicle years (2 vehicles registered for 12 months each yield 2 vehicle years) in 1994-97 models during calendar years 1995-98

Ford F-250- 114
Honda Civic-47
Mazda Miata-59

: Anecdotal evidence is pointless. The bull story is grand. I am sure that if your pal's wife (she of the slow reflexes) had clipped the bull in a Honda civic, she would have walked away in fine condition. A bull is hardly an immovable object, and at 2,000 pounds I am quite sure that it would have been tossed by a damned Yugo as well. This theory that driving around ramming cattle is a great indicator of crash worthiness is horseshit too. The Feds slam rigs into IMMOVABLE, HARD walls, not soft walking heaps of tasty meat that give and are propped up on four spindly legs.
: I was fortunate enough to be brought up in a rural area, and have tossed cattle around even though they grossly outweigh me. That, however, does not make me crash safe.
: Did you ever play any sports? I recall absolutely levelling a catcher in a little league game. He was stunned for a minute or two, and he outweighed me by probably thirty pounds. Again, this is a great anecdote, but it should not be taken as a statement of crash worthiness.
: Tell me some more stories about folks ramming animals- they are funny at the very least- but do me a favor and don't read too much into them.
: I have been in two nasty accidents in tiny cars that I was told by numerous would-be automotive safety experts were rolling deathtraps, and walked away.
: Case 1) Built to fuck Porsche 914. I was told not to hit a curb in this car or I would die. Instead of a curb, I blasted a center divider at 125 mph when I got cut off on the freeway. The front end of the car crushed like paper right up to the passenger compartment, which was literally unscathed, and I walked away from the smoking ruins of the rig without a scratch.
: Case 2) 1985 Bertone X1/9. Again, told that the rig was a deathtrap. So I got all fucked up and rolled the tires right off the rims taking a 25 mph hairpin at 75 plus. This lack of ruber on the road sent me straight into a dirt bank. The car was a fucking ruin. The motor and transaxle fell out, the front end was destroyed, and I got the thrill of standing on top of the roll bar having a smoke laughing my happy ass off when my girlfriend drove up on me moments later. My injuries from that one consisted of a few cuts on my face from it slamming the windshield, because I didn't even have a seat belt on. Dumb? Oh hell yes. But the point is that I again walked away, again going above any legal speed, in a sub 2,000 pound car.
: Again, these are anecdotes. They really mean very little. Then again, they are amusing to tell, and the bull story amused me, so I figured I would share too.
: The facts are out there. You seem to choose to ignore them.

: Didn't you get ANYTHING out of that narrative about the Lincoln hitting the bull?Sad!.....Sad! Don-ohio (:^)

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