you got 65 MPH confirmed by someone else or your dial on your scooter, cause there are abunch of 250cc that highly doubt that!

ps: on high quality scooter (honda, yamaha etc) and even other rides like harleys and nortons motorcycle it is an established fact that the mimum mis-reading of the dial is 10%.... I bet it is worst than than on chineese scooter where the quality is worst..

get someone with a car to follow you, and time your spped, or better yet tell them to ride at 60, when you match their speed, read your dial, I bet it will read alot faster than 60 on your dial.

Cheers...

I love it. It runs great, and the acceleration is better than I hoped.
I am not little, 6' and 245Lbs.
My speed tops out at 58 (read the line above) on my gps.
I have over 500 kilometers on it and it runs better the more I drive it.
But the owners manual is comical..
but, the info is posted on a yahoo users goup.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/tankscooters/messages

Doug

I bought one from Bnscooters and it's great. It arrived on time , no shipper damage , minimal DMV scrutiny and it has started every time without fail. There's a wiring diagram in the owners manual.. did you check the ignition switch for loose wires from shipping? Are you getting power ? if so , to what point does it stop? Will it start with the kick starter? Did you try ether primer fluid? No maker of ANY product is exempt from defects.. Harley Davidson had a recall last year
March 24, 2004
Harley-Davidson Recall
The U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has announced that on certain Harley-Davidson motorcycles, the 40 amp main circuit breaker can open causing a power shutdown on the motorcycle. 73678 motorcycles are affected. This could prove disastrous if you get a power shutdown while riding.
AND again just today http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2004/12/29/311432.html
The Dyna & Softails have bad fuel shutoof valves--the On & reserve positions being reversed.

Using your attitude , if I bought one of the affected harleys I should pop onto every blog saying what pieces of shit they are and people should save money & buy a Tank

And some of the post's "i've rode it for OVER 200 miles"
what a joke-200 miles-come back and let's talk after two thousand. five thousand miles. Not all but most-junk

I have seen many other companies products and services over the past few years, and many of them, and even some dealers of our products TANK brand products do not offer proper support to their customers, and while everything is not 100% perfect we are constantly working on developing better quality products and the best possible service as well as guidelines for our dealers.

No company enters this market or any other without some problems. We learn from our mistakes and move on. I know that my company stands behind our TANK brand products and as long as the customer did not break our policies we do all we can to help them.

Sincerely,

Kevin Holcomb (Owner)
C & K, INC.
www.TankSportsInc.com
P.O. Box 38
Poultney, VT. 05764
802-287-4132
Office Hours: Mon-Fri 10A.M.-7P.M. Est.
Toll Free: 1-888-802-2BUY (2289) USA Only!
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True. I had the main breaker replaced on my USED Harley last summer, for free, and they told ME about it. And aside from that (which was not a major problem, just a POTENTIAL problem) it's bee absolutely trouble-free since the day I bought it.

Of course I probably paid well into five figures more for my Ultra than this guy paid for his scooter. Still, though, it's no longer safe to assume that anything sold in the US will actually be worth anything. We used to have some effective Federal and State regulation of people selling vehicles and stuff, but that seems to have pretty much gone out the window. You really have to do your homework before spending your money. I know it sounds trite, but what your parents told you is still true: If a deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If that scooter's a grand cheaper than anything else, there's a REASON for that, and it's not because the Stella dealers are getting filthy rich selling their stuff. I mean, seriously...

The problem with our parents is that they did not understand asian marketing strategy . Sony was a better quality TV for the money and it was cheaper than an RCA or Emerson. Sony sold in america at a loss to get a market foot-hold. The TV's were more in Japan--they were subsidizing this strategy . Honda did the same thing with the Civic as did Hyundai . Now tank & other chinese manufacturers are having a go at it. I'm not privvy to people's wallets , but it's my understanding that markups from dealers are 70% at times on these chinese scoots.
What we have here is the Walter Knott business philosophy. He invented the Boysenberry and founded Knotts Berry Farm amusement park in Calif. He would say , "It's better to have a million $5 customers than one 5 million dollar customer". The chinese are selling to the masses at the low end and will probably do quite well.

How does Tank track repair issues and know when a recall should be issued?

Andrea

Harley davidson did not track repairs & issue the recall notice.. the NHTSA did.. The same national Highway Traffic Safety Administration would also issue a recall for Tanks if their testing showed any defects . At times , some manufacturers issue voluntary recalls. If the vehicles are crashing and the Feds find the issue first , then they issue the recall.
I have no reason to believe Tank would act differently than Harley Davidson. Just like Honda ,Daewoo,Kia , etc have their dealerships to protect , so does Tank. Do you have any proof to the contrary other than your suspiscion of them being "the new kids on the block"?
My bike came from a dealer , with bill of sale/mco/epa cert . It's got a vin , a plate & insurance. If there is a inherent problem I'll be notified one way or another.

I've asked many times, when a distributor sends a bike line brochure to us, how they track the info NHTSA uses for recall, and not had very many answers.

I can't see how Tank or some other similar type distributors track this data, when its so tough to actually speak to anyone to make a warranty claim or even order parts, or when you call for parts and give them a VIN that they don't know who sold the bike or whom it was sold to. I'd be very interested to know how they do it.

Andrea

I really try to be fair about these Tank threads. I sell them, I like them (the scooters, not the company). My customers like them (the scooters). Their prices are great, their customer service is awful.

I've even asked personally for the forms to register the warranties and was told that none exist and none are necessary. My MCO's come to us with our company name not even on them. Sort of like a blank check. We sign the back with our dealer number, but most online companies would probably just send the MCO to the customer with no dealer name, signature, or license number on the back. That way, no DMV licenses are necessary by the online company. It would look like Tank sold the scooter directly to the customer.

We can't even get them to send correct MCO's with correct VIN numbers and correct model year dates. Some have taken 3 tries until we accepted them. It is really a joke sometimes, but an expensive joke if they don;t get their act together.

Someone else posted this simillar comment a few weeks ago, but I'll repeat their comment with my version. Tank has a very, very, very popular product and can be a big time factor in the US market, but until they get their act together from a customer service standpoint, a paperwork standpoint, along with some other issues, they are going to sink under their incompetency. And I hope Jim Ji reads this.

I have seen many other companies products and services over the past few years, and many of them, and even some dealers of our products TANK brand products do not offer proper support to their customers, and while everything is not 100% perfect we are constantly working on developing better quality products and the best possible service as well as guidelines for our dealers.

No company enters this market or any other without some problems. We learn from our mistakes and move on. I know that my company stands behind our TANK brand products and as long as the customer did not break our policies we do all we can to help them.

Sincerely,

Kevin Holcomb (Owner)
C & K, INC.
www.TankSportsInc.com
P.O. Box 38
Poultney, VT. 05764
802-287-4132
Office Hours: Mon-Fri 10A.M.-7P.M. Est.
Toll Free: 1-888-802-2BUY (2289) USA Only!
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"We dare you to compare!"

Comparing a company that has been around since 1903 to a company that has entered the Scooter and Motorcycle, ATV & Dirt Bike market in the last 4 years is really a bit unfair. Harley Davidson did not start out with perfect machines, nor did Honda, Yamaha, or any other company. In mass production there are issues that arise from time to time. I have been distributing KTMMEX Motorcycle products for the past 2 years and have formed a direct partnership with KTMMEX which is the creator and designer of all TANK breand products, and as a major distributor of the TANK brand name I can tell you that we are working much harder than many other companies to develop systems to prevent problems, and that TANK products have come far in the past two years.

I have seen many other companies products and services over the past few years, and many of them, and even some dealers of our products TANK brand products do not offer proper support to their customers, and while everything is not 100% perfect we are constantly working on developing better quality products and the best possible service as well as guidelines for our dealers.

No company enters this market or any other without some problems. We learn from our mistakes and move on. I know that my company stands behind our TANK brand products and as long as the customer did not break our policies we do all we can to help them.

Sincerely,

Kevin Holcomb (Owner)
C & K, INC.
www.TankSportsInc.com
P.O. Box 38
Poultney, VT. 05764
802-287-4132
Office Hours: Mon-Fri 10A.M.-7P.M. Est.
Toll Free: 1-888-802-2BUY (2289) USA Only!
Import Wholesale Distribution
# 1 in quality power sports products & service
"We dare you to compare!"

I have seen many other companies products and services over the past few years, and many of them, and even some dealers of our products TANK brand products do not offer proper support to their customers, and while everything is not 100% perfect we are constantly working on developing better quality products and the best possible service as well as guidelines for our dealers.

No company enters this market or any other without some problems. We learn from our mistakes and move on. I know that my company stands behind our TANK brand products and as long as the customer did not break our policies we do all we can to help them.

Sincerely,

Kevin Holcomb (Owner)
C & K, INC.
www.TankSportsInc.com
P.O. Box 38
Poultney, VT. 05764
802-287-4132
Office Hours: Mon-Fri 10A.M.-7P.M. Est.
Toll Free: 1-888-802-2BUY (2289) USA Only!
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# 1 in quality power sports products & service
"We dare you to compare!"

???????????????????????
What policies? The Dealer Policies on your web site?
http://www.tanksportsinc.com/policy.asp

Or that wonderful warranty you offer
http://www.tanksportsinc.com/warranty.asp

This is my favorite part

This limited warranty does not apply to any injury, loss, defect or malfunction of the "product" or failure to function resulting from any failure to operate or maintain "product" in accordance with the directions contained in the owners manual provided by the manufacturer; or any injury, loss, damage,

defect or malfunction

Kevin, based on your "warranty" or "policy" If someone buys your scooter and gets hurt or killed due to poor metallurgy or some other manufacturing defect. Who is responsible?

Ellen
2005 Stella
http://www.scooterdiva.com

Incidentally, with most products, the wholesalers and retailers usually insist that they are also insured under the manufacturers products liability insurance coverage. I would assume that this is also true in the Chinese scooter trade. Perhaps Kevin can confirm or deny that!

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" - Wayne Gretzky

>>Face it the product has some problems and we all pretty much know about the Harley problems. <<
All products have some problems.. for $1300 I was willing to gamble that the problems would not be severe . It's now been 10 months of ownership and in that time I replaced 1 headlamp bulb ($6) , aside from the oil changes . If I can ride it 21 months I will have recouped the costs in gasoline savings .
>>Harley however has been around for years and will still be around long after Tank scooters expire.<<
People said the same thing about Toyota , VW , Hyundai ,etc. Neither one of us has a crystal ball . If the scooter lasts longer than 21 months(and by the way it's holding up so far it looks positive) then that's gravy on my biscuit and I never expected it to last forever at what I paid anyways. Of course , people said the same thing when they bought a VW for 2000 bucks back in '71 and some of those are still on the road..

Bottom line - Sound scooters GY6 based honda motors and as many ways to make money as any Americian enterprise. Vento, Tank, Baron who cares about who . . . cheap, good, reliable transportation is what the Chinese, Mexicans and Americans are looking for . . . and duh - the Chinese are steping up to it.

Honda bought in . . . so did I . . . I own one and it is great . . .

Ya wanna figure out why . . . put your million up and they will tell all . . . for the rest of us . . . China with HONDA backing will broadin the market again, with a little help from our Arab friends and Mobile oil too. Tis all about money . . . Get over it . . . buy good and cheap and the rich will make it happen . . . They just can't stand anyone making money they are not.

Larry

As for the mechanic of 28 years telling it like it is...Well everyone has an opinion but I would like to point out the an auto mechanic is not going to know everything about a Scooter or motorcycle engine so his opinion is just that. Because you do not understand what you are looking at or working on does not make your opinion a credible one...

I see happy people with our TANK brand products over and over, and then I see a few unhappy ones too. The bottom line is you can't please everyone, but for the kind of money you can purchase one of these products for over a brand name item and the fact that they all sport Honda tooled motors. I see less complaints than most other companies when they buy from us.

I'm not saying we are perfect or that our products are3 perfect but they certainly have done well.

To address the warranty questions higher above in this post let's face it that is a bunch of legal stuff created by corporate attorney's and the fact remains that we do our best to provide quality service. Our dealers are very happy with us and our products, and that is because I know the value of keeping them coming back for more and work hard to satisfy their needs for parts, and any other problems they may have. What the satement of following our policies implies is you can't be someone not qualified to work on machines to tamper with them and then blame us for something being wrong or defective if they screw it up because they do not know what they are doing. This mainly applies to end users but dealers are expected to have qualified staff to service products that they sell in order to become authorized dealers.

To give an answer to the product liability post insurance question above, Our dealers are required to maintain their own liability insurance, and as retailers most likely their perspective states require it as well. Yes we are covered as well by our own policy. The bottom line is if someone is killed everyone could sued any lawyer will tell you the more people named the better the odds of getting money out of someone.

We are not as good as we hope to be but we are better than we were when we started. Growing pains always hurt some but we are getting there with time. www.TankSportsInc.com "We try to sell fun at an affordible price".

You Sir Corporal Manits of Strada are the competition, and interestingly enough someone from your business called me a few months ago begging for containers of our 150 products because you could not get yours here quick enough when Hurricaine Katrina shot gas prices through the roof.

As for where we are from that has no bearing on the kind of business we do and or how we serve our dealers or customers.

If you have any other questions, or wish to place an order please feel free to contact our offices during normal business hours: Mon-Fri 10A.M.-7P.M. Est. Toll Free at: 1-888-802-2BUY (2289) USA Only, And Outside of VT Only!!! All others, and inside VT. please call 1-802-287-4132. Thank you for your interest in our products! Have a great day.

Sincerely,

Kevin Holcomb (Owner)
C & K, INC.
www.TankSportsInc.com
802-287-4132
Office Hours: Mon-Fri 10A.M.-7P.M. Est.
Toll Free: 1-888-802-2BUY (2289) USA Only!
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# 1 in quality power sports products & service
"We dare you to compare!"

Considering you have someone right here in the USA to deal with we could not see the relevance of your question, nor understand why you kept ignoring the fact that we told you who they were manufactured by repeatedly.

As for the mechanic of 28 years telling it like it is...Well everyone has an opinion but I would like to point out the an auto mechanic is not going to know everything about a Scooter or motorcycle engine so his opinion is just that. Because you do not understand what you are looking at or working on does not make your opinion a credible one...

I see happy people with our TANK brand products over and over, and then I see a few unhappy ones too. The bottom line is you can't please everyone, but for the kind of money you can purchase one of these products for over a brand name item and the fact that they all sport Honda tooled motors. I see less complaints than most other companies when they buy from us.

I'm not saying we are perfect or that our products are3 perfect but they certainly have done well.

To address the warranty questions higher above in this post let's face it that is a bunch of legal stuff created by corporate attorney's and the fact remains that we do our best to provide quality service. Our dealers are very happy with us and our products, and that is because I know the value of keeping them coming back for more and work hard to satisfy their needs for parts, and any other problems they may have. What the satement of following our policies implies is you can't be someone not qualified to work on machines to tamper with them and then blame us for something being wrong or defective if they screw it up because they do not know what they are doing. This mainly applies to end users but dealers are expected to have qualified staff to service products that they sell in order to become authorized dealers.

To give an answer to the product liability post insurance question above, Our dealers are required to maintain their own liability insurance, and as retailers most likely their perspective states require it as well. Yes we are covered as well by our own policy. The bottom line is if someone is killed everyone could sued any lawyer will tell you the more people named the better the odds of getting money out of someone.

We are not as good as we hope to be but we are better than we were when we started. Growing pains always hurt some but we are getting there with time. www.TankSportsInc.com "We try to sell fun at an affordible price".

If you have any other questions, or wish to place an order please feel free to contact our offices during normal business hours: Mon-Fri 10A.M.-7P.M. Est. Toll Free at: 1-888-802-2BUY (2289) USA Only, And Outside of VT Only!!! All others, and inside VT. please call 1-802-287-4132. Thank you for your interest in our products! Have a great day.

Sincerely,

Kevin Holcomb (Owner)
C & K, INC.
www.TankSportsInc.com
802-287-4132
Office Hours: Mon-Fri 10A.M.-7P.M. Est.
Toll Free: 1-888-802-2BUY (2289) USA Only!
Import Wholesale Distribution
# 1 in quality power sports products & service
"We dare you to compare!"

>Considering you have someone right here in the USA to deal
>with we could not see the relevance of your question, nor
>understand why you kept ignoring the fact that we told you
>who they were manufactured by repeatedly.
>
>Kevin Holcomb (Owner)
>C & K, INC.
>www.TankSportsInc.com

Kevin,

I would think that part of the confusion is the fact that you use the URL www.TankSportsInc.com like you ARE Tank Sports. I'm not sure why Tank Sports lets you do that, but it is deceptive and confuses people. You need to rethink that business plan.

If you ARE Tank Sports then please let me know. You owe me some money for defective parts that you sent me.

Our goal will be to open and East Coast warehouse stocking only the TANK brand products. We will be working in an unwritten partnership with KTMMEX to build the brand name of Tank and we have been doing this for nearly two years already. As for our website url if you think that any company controls that type of thing then you are mistaken. Anyone can buy any url they want. Since we are helping build the brand name KTMMEX has no issue with us having such a url and why would they? We are helping them build their brand name!

There need not be confuision unless peeple make it complicated if you are a dealer through the west coast warehouse and you feel they owe you money please contact your rep over there. We only take care of dealers who purchase through our east coast office. If you truly are a dealer you know the rules already, and by downing the office you buy through on this site is not helping to resolve the problems.

I personally would suspend you as a dealer for not properly addressing your concerns directly with my offices but rather airing your issues here in a way that puts a negative outlook to the consumer on the brand name of Tank.

Kevin, I know who you are, but many don't. I have seen a number of posts recently from Tank customers who think that the company is owned and operated by a Vermont Corporation. That is simply not true but is easy to assume when you use the tanksportsinc. com URL

>We will be working in an
>unwritten partnership with KTMMEX to build the brand name of
>Tank

An unwritten partnership agreement?? I guess I have one of those also if such a thing legally exists.

> As for our website url if you think that any
>company controls that type of thing then you are mistaken.

Try calling yourself GeneralMotorsInc.com and sell Chevrolets and see how far that argument gets you.

>
>There need not be confuision unless peeple make it
>complicated if you are a dealer through the west coast
>warehouse and you feel they owe you money please contact
>your rep over there. We only take care of dealers who
>purchase through our east coast office. If you truly are a
>dealer you know the rules already, and by downing the office
>you buy through on this site is not helping to resolve the
>problems.

I know the rules and know how to contact the real Tank Sports. I was just pointing out in that comment the possible confusion you are creating by using somebody elses name. If it was available, would you want me to use C&KInc.com as the URL for my Tank Scooter site?? You use the term East Coast office and West Coast office like they were divisions of the same company. I'm in the east and buy from the west coast office, the real company. When I sell to other dealers I don't pretend to be anything other than a dealer, a separate entity from Tank Sports.

>I personally would suspend you as a dealer for not properly
>addressing your concerns directly with my offices but rather
>airing your issues here in a way that puts a negative
>outlook to the consumer on the brand name of Tank.

I sell Tank scooters and have an excellent reputation with my customers and help promote the brand but I'm not a cheerleader. There are enough complexities to this Chinese scooter market now without other Tank dealers pretending to be the real company. Not everybody reads the fine print on your website, but you already know that and count on it, I'm sure.

I'm not a cheerleader either, but I don't resolve my problems with how a company I do business with by airing them in a public forum. I go and bring my concerns to the source, and work with the company to try and resolve them in a positive manor.

People who read these post can see an arguement is never won when both sides think they are right, so let's face it we can agree to disagree because you can't see things from my point of view.

KTMMEX allows us to operate the way we do because we are not impersonating them, but rather working with them to build the Tank brand name with the consumer. We discussed every move we made with them before we ever made it, and if someone calls us with a problem we tell them who we are, and clarify who they need to direct that issue to on the West Coast.

That is not dishonest at all in my eyes. I built this business from nothing over a number of years, and my dealers respect me for working hard with them to promote their success, and ours, and the bottom line is our dealers make good money because I know how to help people be successful and my talents are worth every penny my company earns.

Good day!

I just discovered a couple of days ago with the problem was with the muffler. The large bearing plate on the right side of the bike just underneath the muffler is too short and even though it was too short someone in the factory decided to bolt into place anyway. Since the plate did not reach of course it created a tremendous amount of stress throughout the entire drive train and of course the bolts could not be tightened down all the way because the plate was pulling on the axle. Because of all of these issues I was told to contact tank directly through my dealer coastmotor.com. He set me up with some guy "parts manager" named Lou who tends to agree with everything I say to finalize every phone call with "just a minute". He leaves the telephone and never comes back. There is also another guy named Joel of course I don't know if these names are real. Joe is the guy who keeps answering for Lou now so as to intercept my calls obviously. Right now he knows that I have not ridden my bike all summer and I live in Michigan. It doesn't appear that either one care at all. This bike was supposed to save me money in gas but now I can't even ride it. And I have spent my summer working on it only to find in the end

I don't perceive Tank to be honest at all. When I call there I get hung up on. I get told that nobody's available. My dealer is beside himself with all the problems I've had and he claims that Tank will not help him help me either. In fact he said "if I push them too hard they will just go slower". If Tank was honest their gurus could realize that I have been screwed out of the summer working on a bike I should never had to have worked on. I've totally lost confidence in them feeling like I have to follow through with litigation and media coverage in order to get satisfaction from this company. I've already consulted with my attorney and we are talking about our strategies at this point! Upon reading these articles I've just discovered that there's already a litigation pending and of course I will investigate. Unless Tank can't compensate me for my long-term inconveniences. Fortunately he is a good attorney and as part of my strategy he told me to investigate the Internet to see if there's already litigation pending. What a surprise, federal law requiring Tank to compensate for all their severe manufacture defects.

Let's be honest about being honest Kevin no name! I challenge you to talk to me! My name is Juan, Lou your part manager knows me and Joel your other employee knows me. I have an urban sporty 150 that I have had to milk mileage out of since I received it hoping to plateau through all of its problems. It's still under warranty and At this point I still do not have a usable bike! If I do not get a response quickly and it's been all summer so far I will continue my media blasts and follow through with any litigation perceivable inviting litigants to another class-action lawsuit and make all consumer protection advocates aware of my situation.

PB

http://www.powersportsreview.com/blogs/2/How-to-setup-and-uncrate-a-Tank-Touring-150-Deluxe

also in the power sports review there is a article on a compairson of a tank touring 150 and a yamaha majesty here is that link:

http://www.powersportsreview.com/articles/7/1/Tank-Comparison

The Tank people are correct--you did something wrong--you did not check for gas leaks ,loose fuel line clamps or a split in the fuel filter. The bike , in and of itself , is not that combustible...it would have to be wet with gas.

>>>My home insurance company said because their have been
so many problems reported with tank scooters
they will not cover the claim<<<<

I had no problem getting insurance on my tank with Progressive--if they had that much notoriety no insurer would write a comp & collision policy on them.
Home insurance does not cover vehicles anyways. Read your policy.

>>Never ever ever buy a tank scooter<<<

Mine has run flawlessly for 7 months now... Buy a Tank Scooter everyone...just put it together correctly and get the right insurance

Nope , just pointing out facts..if a Tank went up in flames after being started it was wet with gas on the exterior.

>>When I
bought my Tank on-line from Brands Hut Inc. it was advertised as"add
air,gas, ride, yeh right<<<

Wow , you had to add air to the tires? mine was ready to go there.. I did have to attach fuel line to carb (correctly) and attach mirrors & front wheel/brake assembly. Mine has been going ever since.

>>The yuk is, is that you actually
think your better than everyone,maybe, but you still push Tanks. Do you
work at Chicagoland_Powersports?<<

Not better than everyone.. luckier maybe and a better mechanic than some. Are all you people that have Tank- trouble related ? Is it a genetic deficiency? And no , I'm a software support engineer in an unrelated industry.

>>>And about Tanks being total complete junk, I don't
thinks so, just mostly crap, and the worst possible way to spend your
limited funds, but if you need home insurance information just ask Daniel Keating. It is still my contention that Tank owners are great
folks and deserve way more than they paid for and the Tank structure
is out to take your money<<

I spent 1300 bucks on a scooter and held my breath to see if I got taken..for me , so far so good. I feel that I got a good deal. I own 4 homes and while that doesn't make me an "expert" on home insurance I can say that every policy that has passed under my nose has clearly stated that vehicle loss is not covered--this is why they sell comp & collision insurance on cars.

>>The Tank folks must pay you (D.K.) $50 per
post (pocket change) for your bantor. I'm an unemployed schmuck,
but I wouldn't push crap on trusting folks for any price<<<

They pay me nothing..I could just as easily say that all the negative posters are on the payroll of Vespa , Honda , Yamaha..
As far as me "pushing crap" here is a cut & paste from another thread-Why would you mail order a new scoot-- from back in March :
In my case , the amount of money saved by 'doing it myself" would have paid for 2 scooters for what the local dealer wanted for one. That being said , not everyone is mechanically inclined and for safety's sake should not force the issue out of sheer thrift . Imagine the consequences of a fuel line popping off the carbureator and spraying gas on a hot engine or a front axel nut working it's way loose at full bore riding speed... These things can happen even with a professionaly assembled bike of any manufacture , but are more likely to occur to a novice learning the ropes.

Looking at that thread , as well as any other I've posted.. I'm not "pushing crap". Just stating these facts :
1. My Tank was good and continues to be-it gets me to & from work and has not stranded me.
2. Some people get bad merchandise right from the box . Sometimes the fault lies with the user and not everyone is cut out to be a mechanic.

At no time in the conversation did I speak out of turn or use profanity, but--in all honesty--I was insistent that they could have done a better job at the point-of-sale. But manager Brian felt he had the right to say, "What is your fucking problem?" and "You just pour the fucking battery acid into the battery, hook the fucking fuel line up, and put on the fucking wheel. Are you not man enough to do that?" Funny what people are willing to say to someone over the phone--something little Brian would not want to say to my face (though he is welcome to try). Again, I am not suggesting that I was the passive gentleman on the phone. But I was never once abusive, profane, or impolite. Just insistent.

The point? BN Scooter is NOT the way to go when you order. I may end up with a good scooter or a piece of junk--I don't know yet. But I cannot imagine that I will get good service should I need it from them. I can only imagine what kind of customer service I'll get if I call them with actual problems with this scooter.

Marty

Avaitar until I get a good scooter picture done.

It's not his fault the fuel line leaked..it's his fault for not CHECKING it before starting the scoot. I too bought a Tank (it's been great) and it came with the fuel line OFF the carb. It has to be attached AND clamped . When a bike comes to you in a crate it has to be prepped and it has to be done PROPERLY or a shop should do it that has liability insurance.

let me make a list here of what I've seen.
1. Use better metal for your parts. some parts i can break in half with my hands. Cheap B grade metal that China mass produces is not to be used on vehicles, hell its not even approved to be used on pots and pans in the United States.

2. Wiring and Electronic components. WTF? wiring is a mess on theese things. most I've seen is not even color coded just slapped whatever wires were found laying around looks like.

3. Research and Development. You guys need a lot of that too. Why not test out some of theese bikes before selling them. give it to some mechanics or something let them test runem f with em and give you feed back. You need this desperatly, and whats a few measily scooters to give away.

4. Get some real employees to make the shit. Hire one good engineer instead of 5 idiots that dont know what theyre doing and just push shit out and keep their jobs secure.

I don't know from what I've seen most of the products coming out of China are cheap, not inexpensive, just plain cheap, and they dont last for shit. I was surprised to find out that Tank manufacturing wasnt in China, but actually looks like its right here in El Monte, California United States. I am going to comfirm this and for the people who wanted to know, well you will.

Oh and if there are any real representatives of Tank Inc. on this board then I am informingyou, but you'll get the letters soon enough too I guess. I have reported and recorded theese issues and the amount of problems theese product have pose a safety risk to riders and others on the road. I have a general inspection of some of the Tank Scooters that I have for repair by a CHP Safety Engineer and hopefully some technicians from the Department of Transportation. They will see if further action needs to be taken and products to be inspected, but by my expertise theese things dont belong on the road.

Peace
Big Al,

1. When I installed the windshield, two of the three bolt-recepticles were already stripped. I had to purchase longer bolts and jerry-rig my own attachments. So far so good.

2. The quality of all the plastic is very poor--easily marred, easily chipped, torn, etc.

3. All of the plastic part connectors (simple metal slip-washers) are easily taken apart, but almost impossible to get back together. Nothing lines up correctly once you remove a screw.

4. The seat-lock did not work at all. I bent a key trying to open the seat, and discovered that there was no cable-connection between the lock and the seat-releases. I had to fix it all myself.

5. The little "trunk" does not attach correctly to the back rack; I had to fabricate brackets and tie-downs.

6. The rubber foot-strips do not attach securely to the floor-boards. Even in some of the ad-photos for TANKS you can see this is the case!

7. The rear suspension squeaks so much, it sounds like I'm riding an old jalopy down the road.

8. The handlebar flanges are very cheap plastic and easily broken. They are silver-painted plastic of the same quality as the old fashioned $2 plastic model cars.

9. The oil-fill is located in a VERY awkward position. You will need a long-snouted funnel to add oil.

10. The gear-oil drain-plug and fill-plugs are hard to locate, hard to remove, and they feel very fragile--like the wrench might break them.

11. The metal parts all have a slightly fragile feel to them--like you could snap some of them in your bare hands.

12. The kick-start pedal is recessed too far under the cowling to be accessible. you CAN get to it, but it's not easy and it's very difficult to get a good kick on it.

BUT...there are some plusses to mention:

1. With my very first tank of gas, I got 85 mpg. I was pretty happy about that. My second tank of gas provided me with an unbelievable 101 mpg! I couldn't believe it, but my third tank took me on the highway, over windy bridges, in heavy stop-and-go traffic, etc., and I got 98 mpg. So, for fuel economy, this is hard to beat.

2. Very smooth acceleration-- 0 to 55 in 15 seconds. I was surprised. It's only a 150cc motor, after all.

3. Good brakes.

4. Good comfort for long-ish rides (I took one ride of 70 miles at around 45 mph, without much stopping, and was quite comfortable).

5. Excellent handling and balance.

6. Pretty cool-looking front end.

7. Excellent head-lights and brights.

8. No real body-turbulence at speeds over 60. Impressive.

9. So far, good strong electric start.

So....it's not all bad, and it's a lot good. The machine was delivered to my door for a grand total of $1549. Hard to beat that. Now I just hope that after writing this review, the wheels don't fall off!

I was expecting it to be a low quality product but was quite pleased to find that it was of generally very high quality. My complaints are of a fairly minor nature -- nothing about the scooter thus far has me concerned about its ability to safely drive me down the road at 55-60 mph (I have have it over 60 mph on a slight downhill).

Minor fit and finish issues include:
1) The owner's manual is comical (a Chinese in his first year of English likely did the translation).

2) The trunk box does not attach very well -- some improvisation is required by the owner.

3) The mirrors do not adjust high enough for me (6 ft 1.5 in) -- I haven't figured out what to do about that.

4) The seat locks did not work smoothly -- WD-40 easily solved it.

5) The mirror wiring attachments insulation was loose, allowing the wires to ground to bare metal, blowing the main fuse. I had to wrap the connections with electrical tape to fix it.

Beyond that, the bike has performed superbly and I have a great deal of confidence that the basic mechanics of the baike are as good as anything on the market. If I were into spending many thousands of dollars more for an Italian or Japanese scooter, then I likely would have avoided these minor issues (or would I have?), but I would also be out many more thousands of dollars ...

Bottom line, Tank scooters are very inexpensive and certainly are not perfect. If you want perfect, then spend a lot more money and buy Japanese; however, if you aren't into spending many thousands of dollars on a scooter, then give the Tank some serious consideration.

Next year, I may upgrade to the Tank 250 -- I'd like the ability to keep up with freeway traffic.

Bill from California

Christopher

jwho92407@yahoo.com

1. Scooter vibrations have rattled the plastic so much that it has cracked and fell off in chunks.

2. Battery goes dead every day.

3. smoke rises from exhaust after every ride.

3. Electical system so faulty that every day different problem arrises. Such
as turn signals not working, ignition failing,

4. Cheap and utter laughable quality of materials, completely dangerous at speeds over 20 mph.

5. Completely fun to ride, however, the problems I have had have made this 1300 dollar scooter worthless for resale.

I too have had problems with branshut. Bought a scooter 20 days ago and still I can not track it with ups. If you threaten to cancel order they will tell you that it is scheduled for pick up that day, that was a week and a half ago for me. Not good business people at all.

In a nutshell, brandshut was rude, they lied, and refused to cancel my order. Then they sent me a scooter that was not only the wrong scooter but a broken on. I do believe I've just taken $1250 up the tail pipe. I have to admit, it feels terrible. Thankfully it's just money. If only I lived in Florida, I'd love to pay that guy a visit.

Just watch.. they will come

Do us all a favor. Shut the fuck up.

>2) Most on-line vendors have poor customer service. Gee
>what a surprise. <<
Most , but not all--I've gotten great service from mine

>3) You like to hear yourself talk. You were likely on the
>debate team in high school. Probably the president. A
>master-debator no doubt. <<

Ahh.. I should have included "people will accuse you of having been on the debating team in high school" in my previous post

>
>Do us all a favor. Shut the fuck up. <<

I'll bet you french kiss your mama with that mouth..don't you..?

-No significant problems starting it
-Directional signal-bulb blew after just a few weeks. Easily (I hope) replaceable.
-Some "play" in steering at low speeds in narrow turn radii.
-Excellent gas mileage (I've averaged 95 mpg)
-Decent acceleration
-Regular cruise speed between 45 and 60 mph-- very good control and smooth ride.
-TOps out at 80+ mph (in other words, as high as the speedometer will go)
-No significant oil-burn. I've topped the crank-case off once
-Major problem putting on the windshield (some of the bolt recepticles were bent), but I worked it out with a little jerry-rigging and now it's fine.
-Trunk does NOT assemble correctly onto the back-rack, but with a little improvisation, it can be mounted securely.
-Fun to drive-- and for 1500 bucks, an amazing value.

YES, the parts are cheap, the plastics are ridiculously cheap, and I have no doubt that little things will go wrong consistently over what may be the relatively short life-span of the scooter. On the other hand, I've really ridden the hell out of it so far, including a couple of 75 mile (round-trip) forays from Long Island to Manhattan--NOT an easy trip--and felt perfectly safe and in control.