adamXYL / peakSC / Serveterans /
LcUSA

"that's how we do it in
'The Springs'..."

wow.
very well said, AXYL.

-L

really, the 911 footage WAS scary, but since i've seen it about 10,000 times, it really isn't that scary anymore.

sheesh.

back to the subject at hand, this sort of stuff is supposed to convince the Iraqis that we come in peace, right?

But it is hard to convince anyone on peace when the insurgents and outsiders keep attacking the US, it's allies, and the Iraqi people.

SCOTT

SCOTT

Was that Saddam laying there about to die? Are our soldiers just as bloodthirsty as Saddam?

Chris
http://www.scootermonkey.com

No, our soldiers, or anyone for that matter, can be as bloodthirsty as Saddam.

SCOTT

SCOTT

On the reverse, I would be FURIOUS if I saw video of an enemy army cheering as they shoot an American soldier. So should I feel differently because the shoe is on the other foot?

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there's plenty of footage like that. people dragging bodies behind trucks, etc. always nasty.

SCOTT

scott

"I forgave my enemies,
but I never forgot their names" DBL

i dunno, maybe a medic? it can't be *that* difficult to disarm a guy who has his gun on the ground next to him. i guess its just easier to shoot the guy.

Unforgiven SC - the NEW home of Unforgiven SC

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Maybe he died an "execution" style death?

But we dont know the whole story, nor were we there. Were there other people shooting back? Did'nt look like it from the soldier's stance, but then again, y'all heard what he said.

SCOTT

P.S. One less car bomber! (I could'nt help it!)

Or depending on how may Iraqis saw this video, potentially a shitload more car bombers.

SCOTT

Stupid comment...

I think you'll find you've killed alot more innocent Iraqis this week alobne than "1".

And that video of the father and son was sick to watch. I could'nt help imagining me and one of my sons being in that situation and how I would feel.

SCOTT

once you put these people in the role of a police officer, you see the Army training shine through. they can't really help it, that kind of training really seeps in and stays put.

if this same situation happened with a drug dealer in a major city, even an armed one, everybody would be pissed; cops aren't supposed to execute people on the streets, except maybe in the movies.

this is one of the reasons i wanted and still want to see an international peacekeeping presence in Iraq. they are trained for this sort of thing. our soldiers are not.

The biggest problem is that the same guy who smiles and waves at you when you pass by and shouts "Go USA" picks up a rocket propelled grenade launcher from the grass when you pass by & fires on you. No matter if you are a trained police agent or a trained infantry troop, you have to regard every unknown individual as a potential threat.

It's so easy for us here to criticize and be an armchair quarterback, but we aren't (yet) having to look around every corner to avoid being shot or bombed.

Same thing goes for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. If Hamas sends women, children, and students to do their bombing, they shouldn't be surprised when their women, children and students get shot when they're in the wrong place at the wrong time.

note that: "do battle". yes, they learn urban warfare. but policing is not really congruent with urban warfare training.

its like the difference between the regular police force and the SWAT team. SWAT tactics are far different from a beat cop's.

Everyone is always talking about how they don't trust the media, but will quickly grab a piece of footage like this if it suits their point of view and say "Seee look!". The media's #1 priority is to make money, and keep their jobs. The easiest way to do that is to put spins on stories and sensationalize everything. The 'independent' media seems to put spins on things to make them fit into their worldview, and support their causes.

The hijacked planes hitting the twin towers is worse than this
video clip. This video clip is war footage, not hostage/passengers being killed along with office workers.

~Scott

The two clips are not IN ANY WAY RELATED. Something to bear in mind. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Not that you don't know this but from your tone I kind of get the impression that you relate the two.

~Scott

Fair enough, can't argue with that, I'm just sick of people saying stupid things like "We're better off fighting the terrorist in Iraq than at home", when in actual fact Iraq has never once committed and act of agressionn towards the United States, or had any proven links with anti US terrorist.

Yes, but "technically" that's anti Israeli terrorism. I do see your point though.

its true that the media does a lot of lowbrow stuff; right after 911 one of the networks (FOX i think) was showing footage of Palestinians cheering in the streets, to make us believe they were all happy about it. problem is, it was stock footage from a year earlier, for something that obviously had nothing to do with 911.

i am pretty cynical regarding the media, but right now my gut is telling me that this clip is the real thing. i could be wrong.

~Scott

Couldn't have put it better myself.

I got her a Compaq laptop 5 months ago, nothing but conflicts and problems, and yesterday the hard drive died. What a piece of junk.

At work, my biggest mistake in buying computers for our company was starting out on the Windows track. Now we have too many Windows computers to make the migrations to a Mac platform, but oh how I would love to! Dollar for dollar the Mac works better and stays current much longer than a windows based computer, my .02.

Maybe better I don't see the video, it will just infuriate me further about the war, bah.

I'm thinking of going to Orange ride with David K and crew on Saturday, are you coming?

I'm thinking of going to the Vegas ride, you going to Vegas?

scott

wow, when did the marines hook up with those spicy purple uniforms?

"i don't like to call them colors, i prefer to call them 'flavors'"